The self-driving industry has blurred the distinction between Level 4 and 5 (SAE) autonomy. The reality is that L5 autonomy -- the ability to autonomously in every speed and environmental complexity -- is far from being achieved robustly, reliability, and without safety operators on board the vehicle. An alternative approach is to start in "Geo-fenced" environments such as a corporate/university campus or masterplanned community where the Operating Design Domain (ODD) presents a realistic path to a fully driverless solution (Level 4). This talk discusses the challenges and opportunities in achieving this industry-wide goal.